It was scheduled as Wirxli Flimflam’s last performance but the judges where already present with the verdict in their pocket to make it also my last performance in CARP.
The night before the performance a friend was abused by Pirats group and was really unhappy about that. She also saw those Pirats at Oberon Onmura’s exhibition and I promised her to ask them who they fucking think they are. I went there screaming but they didn’t react so my friend was asking: are you taking pictures? And that give me the idea to film them. To make a movie like that I took at least 45 minutes of filming, they didn’t seem to bother, didn’t walked away or TP-ed out. They just stick to their usual coucou and Yay yay. I even invite my friend Dan Yapungku so I could stand on his head, to have good shots of Newbab Zsigsmond who was dancing on top of Merlina Rokocoko.
The next morning I put the movie online and received enthusiast comments from Iono Allen, Pol Jarvinen, Penelope Parx, Luce Laval and Rose Borchovski. Never had so much positive feedback that quick until…..Josina Burgess came online. She was really pissed off about the movie because Thirza Ember left the Diabolus group because of the movie. (use translator dutch english for some parts)
Josina Burgess: Thirza Ember: (Saved Sun Feb 14 15:15:25 2010) Josina, I saw the last notice ‘Touche Pas’ because of this I am leaving your group Diabolus. That is not ‘performance’ it is abusive behaviour, so I do not want any part of it. not at all.
SaveMe Oh: heel goed
SaveMe Oh: als virtuele werelden onder iemands huid kruipen begint het echt te worden
Josina Burgess: je moet hier dus meteen mee ophouden, op deze manier beschadig je de groep en gooi ik je eruit
SaveMe Oh: Als jij tot het legertje van de censors wilt toetreden kan ik je niet tegenhouden
SaveMe Oh: gisteren had ik iemand zeer ontdaan in IM om wat de Pirats deden
SaveMe Oh: het virtuele leven is soms lastig
SaveMe Oh: je zou je eigen positie bij de Pirats eens goed tegen het licht moeten houden
SaveMe Oh: heb je gezien hoe ze rondstappen met hun zwarte armbanden?
Josina Burgess: interesseert me totaal niet, als jij via stomme video’s probeert mensen te raken op een gemene manier en dat doet op zo’n manier dat ik constant, en niet alleen nu! gedoe heb over en door jou, terwijl wij ons best doen een goeie groep te maken en te houden begin ik het zo langzamerhand moe te worden, constant jou te moeten verdedigen, ik ben het zat om iedere keer opnieuw aangesproken te worden op jou gedrag wat ik trouwens behoorlijk kinderachtig vind, dit heeft niks meer met kunst of wat dan ook, maar met rancune van een zekere avatar save me oh. Ik zal hier met Vela over spreken en ik kan je wel zeggen dat ik er genoeg van heb.
SaveMe Oh: ok, ik hoor het oordeel wel. Ik heb nog nooit zoveel positieve reacties op een video gehad maar als jij je ogen wilt sluiten moet je dat doen.
As Josina has good contacts with the Pirats she soon had contact with Newbab and he already had summoned her to do something about it and she did. She told me she was in the mood to kick me out of CARP but still had to talk with Velazquez Bonetto. She was only nice enough to wait until Wirxli Flimflam was dead and also Velazquez didn’t say a word although he knew he would ban me a few hours after.
Next day all CARP members received this message, most of them before me:
Already a long time we as CARP/Diabolus are defending freedom of speech and freedom to express and exhibit Art in a confronting way.We believe that artists of all sorts must have the possibility to use the Art as a tool to create awareness, make people think and wonder, and express this through Art.Art was through history always an item that created openings and discussions and not only serving the beauty and the wonderful. Art can be a messenger, a clown, a mirror, a caricature of all whats happening in the world.When however an artist is using Art as a coveridge for personal revenge and starts trying to hurt and embarras people in a almost stalking way, the Art itsself is offended.
As a response on the last video you made and also in response of the many other occasions where we as founders of the CARP/Diabolus group were confronted with complains and questions about your behaviour, we decided that we have to react.
We discussed this many times with you and every time you seemed to just love the negative attention and even did a further step to see what happens and how far you could go. Not only you used openings of other artists to get negative attention on your avatar, you also went to annoy other guests that you disliked that moment, you exhibitioned projects that were directly attacking groups of people or cultures in such a hatefull way that we had to remove certain items. You did not learn from it, but continued with your solo actions that could not stay solo because many others got involved in these actions even when they were never asking for it.
You finally reached the limit and we decided the following:
1.You have to remove the hatefull and vindictive video you made about Pirats.
2.We expect a apology for this video.
3.You will be disrupted from CARP/Diabolus for 3 months, you will not be able to rez, or have any exhibitions on Diabolus, with the warning that when you come back you have to behave as a human being and put your personal vendetta’s aside.
We respect your talent and we also know you from other conversations as a much nicer person in RL that uses the avatar Saveme Oh as a total transformation into something different from your RL personallity. You are totally free in doing so, but also in SL real humans are behind every avatar and they can be offended and get hurt. Through your actions we as CARP/Diabolus dont want to take the stand as your defenders anymore, because you lost your credibility.
We hope to have reached with this deciding a opening for better communication and understanding and surely are not trying to push you into more negative and vindictive actions.
Josina Burgess/Josina den Burger
Velazquez Bonetto/ Laszlo Oerdoegh
Some comments in Diablus Ning group:
Debbie Trilling: I know this was a hard decision for both Vela and yourself, Josina, and has taken many months of discussion and “second chances” before you finally arrived at it. I know from our group discussions on this matter that neither of you took the decision lightly, nor does it bring either of you any joy. However, it is the correct decision.
This avatar’s behaviour and attitude to others’ hard work has caused far too many upsets and complaints to operate successfully in any group or within any project which requires collaboration. As CARP projects are essentially collaborative efforts, this group is clearly not the group that can provide this avatar with the correct environment to work within.
Perhaps an enforced hiatus of three months might provide a suitable readjustment period. Perhaps not.
Josina den Burger: thanks Debbie, it was not with great pleasure to decide, but you know us very well already and I am grateful you support this.
Wiski oh: He he he… SaveMe needs some good spanking, for sure. Sister, you had been a bad bad girl… And brother Wiski will spank youuuuuuuuuuu…. Come come little darling… Im gonna save your soul, in the name of cheessusssssssssssss… Whip, whipppp… Argh, what had you done again, terrific sister ? Ho lord, save me for Saveme !!!!
Calimera Lane: Well, Vela and Josy.. you wanted her, now you got her.
I dont exactly see a big difference in that pirats movie compared to what she has produced before.
Its all an expression of frustration and lament, n’importe where you look, at her blog or whatever media she spams. She has expressed her laments in a most destructive, disrespectful way all the time. Targetting something one personally also dont like–as for her puns on US american puritanism–makes no difference to it.
HP Darcy: Well, well, let’s not going to exaggerate. First SaveMe was carried on the shoulders of everybody, but when ‘people’ complain, then there are penalties or punishment. First the CARP members, including the founders love it, until ‘others’ tell them they shouldn’t.
And those ‘others’ are in my opinion – unfortunately – very short sighted. They have no sense for some good fun and humor, apparently they cannot see the irony in the work of SaveMe. Too soon they feel hurt, or are just jealous in an ordinary way. So what do they do? They begin to manipulate and actually they are the ones who start the fighting. Why not turn the head and walk simply away and stop the fuzz? Can’t you leave the things who don’t appeal to you alone or am I the one who is crazy?
If there is one person trying to tell honestly her opinion, it is SaveMe Oh. And she takes fully the responsibility for that. I do not understand why honesty should be punished in this way. It should not be her problem if people can’t accept the truth. The (Pi)Rats must get used to the fact that there are individuals who don’t want to be considered part of their inner circle. We are not just mindless sheep following each other.
I think the action should be reversed because no rules have been violated! Look at RL, take a look at the Civil Code. Shouldn’t you laugh out loud when an individual was excluded for having an honest sincere own opinion about certain people. There is really nothing forbidden about it and no judge would convict somebody for that, but in CARP they think they have to? Something is wrong here.
Josina Burgess: HP you are right in much what you are saying, and We stood behind Save me for along time, as long (and I repeat) it is in a humorfull way and is not getting “personal” and really trying to damage or hurt. This is NOT about Pirats, although the last video did it, and its NOT because what öther”peole said. Its what we saw and experienced with our own eyes and ears. We never act from second hand information, but acted out of what we experienced ourselves by the behaviour of SaveMe during openings, in video’s and towards other people in SL. When you seed, you earn. SaveMe knows this and its never can be so that you can do and shout whatever you like without getting a response at some point.
Debbie Trilling: Comment by HP Darcy: “If there is one person trying to tell honestly her opinion, it is SaveMe Oh. And she takes fully the responsibility for that“
If she truely takes “full responsibilty”, as you say, then she will see this decision as a direct consequence of her “honest opinons” (sic) and behaviour. As part of her “work”, SaveMe courts controversy and provocation. She actively seeks to be banned and I have even heard a supporter asking her, “Haven’t CARP banned you yet, SaveMe?” as if it is a Badge of Honor.
This decision by CARP is a logical and predictable consequence of her actions; ‘Reaping what you sow’, as Josina has pointed out a number of times. Take responsibilty for that.
Comment by HP Darcy: “There is really nothing forbidden about it and no judge would convict somebody for that, but in CARP they think they have to? Something is wrong here“
This is not a Court of Law or anything like it.
This is about deciding who shares similar values/aims and who doesn’t; deciding who one wants to work with and who one does not; deciding who to freely donate prims to, land and exhibition space to, time and resources to and who one doesn’t care to; who one wants to spend their leisure time with and who one does’nt; who one respects and who one doesn’t; who has credibility and who doesn’t.
Everybody has the individual right to make these decisions and act upon them as they see fit.
In this instance, it was decided that SaveMe is not a person the group shares these things with.
The thing that is “wrong here” is not the decision made by an SL group but your illogical comparison with a Court of Law,
Calimera Lane: Re Josina: “We stood behind Save me for along time, as long (and I repeat) it is in a humorfull way and is not getting “personal” and really trying to damage or hurt.”
Humour is something difficult to define. If you had a presentation on your latest visuals and I would show up and attach all effect sets I have made so that people dont see yours anymore, would you call that humorous? Imagine a concert was given and I would show up playing all sounds I could find in my inventory. Would you call that humorous? Given theres a discussion event that operates via text chat and I would pop up and take over the chat with cuckoos and fuckyous. Would you call that humorous? Especially when its done to debunk “false art” and to expose herself as a “true artist”.
I’m with Debbie. Saveme Oh does not take responsability for her actions at all. Her self-righteous blog from its very beginning in pre carp membership times is one big lament about unjust bans and nazi sim dictators.
She has been carrying out personal vendettas not only with DanCoyote Antonelli long before carp invited her to join.
Let me ask you, Josina–and I truely am curious–what made you think you would change her?
Let me add this. I have been absent from SL almost all 2009. Rumours over stress within carp triggered by saveme oh reached me only via my flatmate’s news from SL. I haven’t ever criticized Velas decision to invite her. Just wondered whether she will succeed to fuck this up also, the very climax of the drama she cultivates.
I understand this has caused much stress to both Velazquez and Josina. Therefore I do well understand their reaction. A selforganized system either integrates or eliminates disruption.
They don’t deserve this kind of shit, Saveme.
Was this the first time the CARPIES had problems with my attitude??? No. Read this. (when they were still defending me)
[Velazquez Bonetto: [14:38] Medora Chevalier: Hi Vela – people are hassling me about SaveMe Oh’s work at Diabolus – she got banned from one of the festival sims last night because its PG and she turned up with a fuckme attachment
Velazquez Bonetto: ???????????
SaveMe Oh: ah good publicity
Velazquez Bonetto: [14:39] Medora Chevalier: now people are saying her work is a breach of terms of service
Medora Chevalier: and not a poisitive imagining (well I agree with that one – but that’s bloody artists for you!)
Velazquez Bonetto: behhh
Josina Burgess: yes save me was banned from a american sim becouse her guys were wearing a t-shirt with fuck U on it
Josina Burgess: hypocrits
SaveMe Oh: you want to see what i wered?
Josina Burgess: ok
SaveMe Oh: how bad it was?
Josina Burgess: show
Josina Burgess: olol
SaveMe Oh: you must be shocked
Josina Burgess: pretty harsh yes
Josina Burgess: for american puritan eyes
SaveMe Oh: I hope we dont have to take that american puriteins in our future
SaveMe Oh: the centre work will also be at the edge
Velazquez Bonetto: neocreationist ultraright GWBUSH brains
Josina Burgess: lol
Josina Burgess: whats the message save me
Josina Burgess: beside fuck u
SaveMe Oh: of these dolls?
Josina Burgess: yes
SaveMe Oh: fuck you
Josina Burgess: hahahahahahaaa
SaveMe Oh: lol
SaveMe Oh: an act of love?
Josina Burgess: and of course they were shocked
SaveMe Oh: i dont know
SaveMe Oh: they asked me to remove it
Josina Burgess: and of course you did not
Josina Burgess: so drama began
SaveMe Oh: ofcourse not
Velazquez Bonetto: hahahah
SaveMe Oh: i entered a sec time after being banned
SaveMe Oh: with the monks
Josina Burgess: still wearing it/
Josina Burgess: ahhhh lol
SaveMe Oh: that time it was my discusiion that get me banned
Josina Burgess: and also the monks were no good?
SaveMe Oh: discussion about freedom of speech
SaveMe Oh: http://savemeoh.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/imagine-festival-overcrowded-with-security/
Josina Burgess: yes
Sicily Zapatero: Can I say something?
Velazquez Bonetto: yes sicily
Sicily Zapatero: Could we please not generalize about nationality.
Sicily Zapatero: It is individuals who have opinions.
Sicily Zapatero: It’s hurtful to me.
Sicily Zapatero: Please..
Velazquez Bonetto: ok sorry
Sicily Zapatero: I try never to judge never.
SaveMe Oh: i love to judge
Sicily Zapatero: And that is fine….
Sicily Zapatero: It is your right..
SaveMe Oh: its all about awareness
SaveMe Oh: not about right or wrong
Sicily Zapatero: No worries.
Velazquez Bonetto: ))))
SaveMe Oh: ofcourse, a lot of worries
SaveMe Oh: but thats why we do this
SaveMe Oh: stimulate the grey cells
SaveMe Oh: and hope something good comes out
Josina Burgess: IT IS OF COURSE YOUR WAY OF DOING THINGS. i also do understand them. they were and stayed polite, and yuo really came there at a opening with trying to shock in mind
SaveMe Oh: the last is not true
Josina Burgess: what means OPG sim?
SaveMe Oh: i just came with what i was busy
Josina Burgess: PG
Josina Burgess: that its open for children?
SaveMe Oh: I have no problem children read fuck
SaveMe Oh: is a normal word
Sicily Zapatero: Ah, Save me…I must b honest…..Not for children.
SaveMe Oh: its a much used word and people should explain that to their children then
Josina Burgess: neither do i, they read that on the street all the time, but i can understand that the explicit way you set up the figures made them react
Sicily Zapatero: Remember…I am a teacher of young children…
Sicily Zapatero: They have a very very tender souls.
SaveMe Oh: yes, but then you should be with them behind the pc
Josina Burgess: but what was the rest of the conversation about, you say you came then as a nu with the monks
Josina Burgess: whats wrongwith that
SaveMe Oh: yes
Josina Burgess: you changed as they asked
SaveMe Oh: nothing was wrong with that
SaveMe Oh: but then it was the conversation who annoyed them
Josina Burgess: there THEY went wrong
SaveMe Oh: i should shut up
Josina Burgess: thet=y asked you nicely to remove and change
Josina Burgess: you did
Sicily Zapatero: I was not there so, I don’t kow.
Sicily Zapatero: know
Josina Burgess: and theh it was again not good enough
SaveMe Oh: i took long before i did, lol
SaveMe Oh: i teased them ofcourse
Josina Burgess: ahhhhhhhhhhhhh you were pestering
Josina Burgess: sure yes
SaveMe Oh: not only image challenge the mind, also the talk
Josina Burgess: in fact you could expect it
Josina Burgess: so no reason to be upset
SaveMe Oh: people think only a prim can be an artwork, but also writing and thinking can be considered like that
Velazquez Bonetto: [14:54] Medora Chevalier: well it was just obvious that if you go to an area which is not supposed to have anything unsuitable for younfg students wearing people fucking you back and front you probably arent looking for a quiet life
SaveMe Oh: she is right
Velazquez Bonetto: i know yet what is PG
Josina Burgess: she is
SaveMe Oh: im not looking for a quiet life
Josina Burgess: what is PG?
Velazquez Bonetto: they banned also the LOUVRE is paris
Sicily Zapatero: Parental Guidance
Josina Burgess: ah ok
SaveMe Oh: its a fight against Linden ofcourse too
SaveMe Oh: owners who try to direct what oters can do or not
Josina Burgess: well seems you have to live after some RULES when you enter a place like that
Josina Burgess: and when you dont want you dont go there
SaveMe Oh: i accept being banned
Josina Burgess: yes
SaveMe Oh: happens to me all the time
SaveMe Oh: I know that it will happen
SaveMe Oh: but sometimes that has to be the toll being paid
Josina Burgess: still you gaved them something to talk about and that was why it is good also
SaveMe Oh: thats the thing
Velazquez Bonetto: ok i know the solution
SaveMe Oh: art is to being talked about
SaveMe Oh: otherwise is bad art
Josina Burgess: i am curious if you had come with a guy that stebs you with a knife in the heart
SaveMe Oh: the solution is to tie me up with something in my mouth
Josina Burgess: and you are like bleeding all over
SaveMe Oh: violence they wouldnt mind
Velazquez Bonetto: if we decide that saveme dance in the first scene with the group tha ni swith in the sim the aging verification switch on
Velazquez Bonetto: and then no problem
Josina Burgess: as soon its about something that has a reference with sex
SaveMe Oh: they get paranoid
Josina Burgess: everybody is eek and aww
SaveMe Oh: and keep on singign about love
Josina Burgess: lol
Josina Burgess: ok well done with that
Josina Burgess: lets go on rehearsing
Velazquez Bonetto: [14:59] Medora Chevalier: no one has spoken to you about her work being against the LL terms?
Velazquez Bonetto: i read the community standard of course
Velazquez Bonetto: but from this point of view we can close the LOUVRE in Paris
Medora Chevalier: exactly
Where they never angry before???? Yes, ofcourse. Read this and use your translator Dutch – English
Josina Burgess: wil je stoppen met Igor zo vreselijk te treiteren
Josina Burgess: ik vind echt dat je af en toe niet meer leuk bent zo, humor is ok maar treiteren gaat te ver
Josina Burgess: daarbij is het nogal kinderachtig vind je niet
SaveMe Oh: stel je niet aan
Josina Burgess: je hebt geen idee wat je aan het doen bent nu, ook niet wie of wat voor persoon Igor is
Josina Burgess: ik snel me niet aan maar sta me kwaad te maken
SaveMe Oh: ik heb een hele verhandeling van hem gehad, ook niet ok
Josina Burgess: dit is mijn tentoonstelling en ik wil dat het leuk is
Josina Burgess: niet dat jij vervelend gaat lopen doen ten koste van iemand
Josina Burgess: doe maar op je eigen tentoonstelling
Josina Burgess: ik kan nu helemaal niet genieten
I just can say, stop defending me. I am quite able to do that myself.